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come up. right there. yes. >> that's pretty cool. thanks for inviting us into your homes tonight. that's it for "special report." we go on the record right now. this is a fox news alert. police in northern california are arresting a suspect in the the murder of a catholic priest. yesterday reverend freed was found murdered in a church after failing to show up for morning mass. just a short time ago, police arrested gary lee bullock. he had been in and out of police custody before the police was fouchbltd police a found. is the obama administration breaking the law? 11 attorney generals alleged blasting the obamacare fixes and
insists the illegal actions must stop. they're taking kathleen sebelius and cabinet members. >> why do you say the president is breaking the law? >> greta, this is the president supposed to enforce the laws not forbid the enforcement of laws. what we're seeing time after time over the past few months the president found the obamacare law put him and his political future in a corner. he goes about trying to change the law. repeatedly over the past few months the president has forbid the enforcing of the law or change the law to suit his ends. he does so unconstitutionally. only congress can pass a law.
the president does not have the power to make up a law and judge credibility acting as a court. we got away from that when we got away from britain. we have the president acting like the king of the united states. >> where do you're draw the line? congress legislates they write the laws and the president ex kuex execut executes. they can drop one charge and agree to another. how do you know the president has crossed the line going beyond executing the law and legislating? >> the course had been abunda abundantly clear the president does not have the legislation to enforce the whole section of a statue. that's what the obama administration has done, the president and secretary sebelius with regard saying this part of the law we're going to put off an entire year. that's an entire section of the
obamacare law. they're not doing it for one person, they're doing it for everyone. >> this is the issue i see. in order to -- you've got to figure out a way to get into court. it seems to me every judge when something comes through looks at the statue and clear language to see if you're right or wrong. in this case, the law is quite mirky on what should be done. look to legislative intent which was for everybody pour money in the spot to keep the cost down for everybody now the president comes in. that changes the intent of the legislation. so now how do you get that situation before a judge? >> that raises the tough question and that is standing. do states have standing to challenge this? do employers or individuals have standing to challenge this? >> we believe what the president is doing is clearly unlawful.
we don't know who has standing to challenge it. >> what are you waiting for? that's what yo understand. members of congress say they don't have standing. what are you waiting for? >> well because we're taking first steps first. first thing is there's an open comment period where we're providing comments to the united states secretary health and human services letting them know what is going on is illegal and what they can do to correct it to insure legal action doesn't have to be required. what we're basically doing is exhausting administrative procedures. after that we will be determining hah the appropriate course will be. >> all right. now i take it all the attorneys generals who signed on to this letter are all republicans right? >> they are. if you saw the date of the letter it was december 26, the day after christmas. this is something that had to be put together on short notice. i know there's going to be more attorneys general who agree with this who simply didn't have time to join in. >> i expect you might pick up
other republicans. is there any indication at all any democrat attorneys general who has a job in a state is going to join with you so that you get out from underneath the shadow of it looking like a political gesture? >> i know there are democrats against what the president is doing. for political reasons they're unable to come out and say that. the democrats even though some may have disagreed not to challenge it. >> which seemed interesting. the lawyers are supposed to force the law and not be governed by political agreement. it's too bad if they believe the law has been violated. >> that's the case of course. in this case, this is a rare
situation. first time i've seen it in the united states of america history where the president is violating the standards of what the law sets forth. we've never seen a president do anything like that with law in the past. it's time we have a president who's going to obey the constitution and enforce the laws not make them up. >> i would simply like to see the branch of government sort this out. we can't get this dispute to the third branch of government to decide whether the president is right or wrong because of the pe nature this can't get in the door. >> in the president were to call harry reid and say i want you to agree with the house of representatives and pass the law
they pass, that would solve it tomorrow. the president won't do that. >> thank you. >> you too. thank you. president barack obama is in trouble with nuns tonight. a small group of denver nuns taking on washington and obamacare. they just won a round. supreme court joist granted them. >> good to be here. that's a tough name of a group to be up against. i have sympathy for the president. little sisters of the poor. >> the little sisters of the poor didn't want to be against the president. they asked for a long time to run the ministry as they always have. they've done it according to faith. they're nuns and catholics. they believe what the catholic church teaches. they ask, please mr. president tonight force us to go against our faith. >> it has to do with
contraceptions right? >> contraceptions and abortion drugs. >> the provision says they must participate or be fined millions of a year. >> tomorrow at 10:0 a.m.? >> tomorrow the government has to respond and explain to justice sotomayor why they should be allowed to punish the nuns for living their faith. >> as a former member myself, to have the supreme court justice step in is intriguing. it shows the gravity of the issue. doesn't necessarily say how she's going to rule in the end. shows the importance of the issue.
>> the state government can order religious groups, for instance, that they have fire escapes in their you can order they have fire escapes. it's not like they're immune from all regulation. do you agree with that? contraception? is it because it goes not necessarily to safety, but to core religious constitutional beliefs? >> that is the distinction. the little sisters are an institution that exists to protect life at its very end, to treat it with respect and love. they take a vow, literally take a vow to treat each person that comes in as jesus christ and have to be part of something that could harm innocent human life at its very beginning. >> tomorrow the governor responds at 10:00 a.m., then the supreme court will make a decision. justice sotomayor or the others whether to continue the temporarily restraining order. >> the justice has that
decision. she can either make it herself or go to full court. what they have to decide is the basic considerations that often come up in these kinds of cases. >> last time was the temporary restraining order extended, or not? >> it was extended to allow the religious claim. in this situation, the court says, do we have something here where we have a real split, the circuits are confused below and it's an important law, and that's exactly what we have here, two circuits that say the exact opposite thing on the exact same legal issue, and they are saying it about something that's incredibly important, fundamental religious rights. justice sotomayor catholic? >> i don't know. >> i don't mean to suggest anything, but only sort of the intrigue as we look at the composition of the court and such a important decision. >> incredibly important and incredibly important to these
sisters. >> i don't think they can afford that, can they? >> this is money they've gotten to take care of poor elderly people, not the irs. >> thank you for coming. 10:00 a.m. tomorrow is the hour you'll hear from the federal government. >> thank you. straight ahead, wounded veterans, what do they get? well, smacked with a giant tax bill. so what do you think about that? well, their story is coming up. but first, i'm going to talk to you off the record about a very touchy subject. that's next after the break. huma. even when weross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility.
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all right. let's all go off the record for a minute. and first let me say loudly and clearly, racism is real. it's hateful, horrible, cruel, and exists. it's real. but let me likewise say loudly and clearly, not every slight is racism, and people who wrongfully shout racism for every ill do a enormous disservice for all americans. now take a look at just the last few days, msnbc anchor melissa harris-perry joking about governor romney's adopted african-american child. racism, you decide. but one thing is for clear, the comments hurt an innocent child. and how about gloria brown
marshall, she just wrote, southern white radicals vowed to stomp implementation of the obamacare law, leading one to wonder if tea party members would oppose health care if not from a nonblack president. is that why, because of racism towards the president, or is a lousy website that just didn't work? you decide. and then there is new york city's sanitation department chaplain, reverend fred lucas jr. comparing new york city to a plantation. a plantation, you know what that's code for. in a few days, a news anchor, law professor, and a chaplain working to divide the nation, not heal it. what's with that? imagine, with their three powerful positions, anchor, law professor, and chaplain, if each gave it a rest, stop with the insults and instead worked on real solutions, solutions to address real instances of racism, and that's my "on the record" comment tonight.
if you have an important issue, tell us about it. and a virginia couple trying to help wounded veterans get an unpleasant surprise after setting up a veterans retreat, the couple gets slapped with a giant tax bill. >> jim and his wife donated 37 acres and a million of their own money to create this first of its kind in the nation wounded warrior retreat. they opened their doors in september of this year and established as a nonprofit organization, which is why they were so shocked when they got a whopping tax bill in the mail. >> i'm a retired navy e.o.d. technician, bomb disposal, and my wife and i started a small foundation just to take care of the folks who had been injured in iraq and afghanistan. and through that work we started bringing families out to our home for barbecues and overnight stays, and that's kind of what started the whole project. we saw how important it was to get away from the hospital during this healing process, but
we had a big surprise about six months ago when we submitted an exemption for the personal property taxes, and we got a bill for $10,000 a month ago. so we're doing, you know, the millions of dollars of work going on here, the county can't afford to deliver, state can't afford to deliver, and arguably, the federal government's not delivering. we provide a place, we have four cabins here and the lodge behind me, a place where families of our combat stressed military and veteran community can come to rest and reconnect and specifically focus in on the family aspect of this group. in the second thing we do is we hold retreats, therapeutic retreats, kind of nontraditional, nonpharmaceutical solutions to post-traumatic stress and other combat stress related industries. the county overall has been good to us. we've had waivers on building permits and all the types of different permits, so we've gone to the county. the county's had a hearing. i'm cautiously optimistic.
all charities are on a case-by-case business. >> that's unique to the state of virginia, because the law that gives the power to the local government. >> that's right. so most states around the country that we've seen and researched tend to give exemptions to churches, hospitals, and charitable organizations that are doing good work in the community. >> the retreat has only been opened since september, but already is having a huge impact on wounded warriors like aaron cossey. >> you know, it's really important to be able to get away from the hospital atmosphere, the hustle and bustle of the city, just get out and be able to relax. >> and his wife kathleen has a message for the county officials. >> i would say they are very privileged to not understand how necessary this is. >> every healing you need a sacred space, and this is a sacred space. just months after being busted for cocaine possession,
it's back to work for trey radel. today, he's saying he will return to work in congress next week. he's been on leave of absence since pleading guilty in november to cocaine possession. congressman radel plans to be back on capitol hill next tuesday, so now you be the judge, have you had enough of this guy, should he just resign, or does he deserve a second chance? vote in our poll, it's up now. coming up, the new year bringing the full impact of obamacare, so how is it hitting doctors, hospitals, and patients? dr. ben carson is here next. of course, you can hash it out with us, are you worried about your medical care? tweet or post on facebook right now using #greta. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the little room over the pizza place on chestnut street the modest first floor bedroom in tallinn, estonia and the southbound bus barreli down i-95.
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ready or not, obamacare is here, the health care law officially kicking in on new year's day, so are doctors and hospitals prepared and can they navigate the rough waters? good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta. >> joe, we're now day two, do you think doctors and hospitals are ready at least as much as possible on day two of any large program? >> well, they are probably more ready than we would expect, because this is really a proverbial drop in the bucket compared to what's going to come once the employer mandate kicks in and you really get to see a seat change going on. we're talking less than 2% of the population that have really been affected by what's going on right now. so, yes, there will continue to be problems. you know, people are already having problems, for instance, finding a primary care doctor.
that's going to be accentuated significantly by this. doctors and hospitals have to do more with less. it's going to mean reduction in services, reduction in quality of services, extension of the amounts of time that people are waiting, but these are just small things compared to what's going to happen after the election this year. of course, it was carefully timed to occur after the election. >> let me ask you this, even if we didn't have obamacare, we find that we have a growing population, we have greater health needs, costs were rising so that inevitably it was going to mean for everybody that the costs were going to go up. we'd have to wait longer, not getting a greater supply of doctors, so was this not inevitable, or how different is it in light of obamacare? >> well, these are things that were happening, although the repity with which health care costs were rising, that began slowing down in 2008 and 2009.
so, i know there are people who are trying to claim that obamacare is the reason for that, but that was already starting to happen. what we do have to recognize is this is going to have profound effect on everybody, because there are lots of new taxes in obamacare that are not just going to effect the wealthy. many people say, oh, no problem, it's just going to effect the wealthy, but there are things like the economic substance, it's called economic substance doctrine, and it's in the bill, it's expected to raise about $4.5 billion. and if the irs can come in and look at some tax deductions that anybody's taking and say you just did that so you wouldn't have to pay so many taxes, so we're not allowing that, and irs has enormous power through this bill. it's the biggest tax increase
ever. >> let me go on to another topic. in light of your career as a neurosurgeon, i'm curious what you think of colorado's new law legalizing marijuana. where do you fall on this side of the discussion? >> well, i think medical use of marijuana and compassionate cases, certainly, has been proven to be useful, but recognize that marijuana is what's known as a gateway drug. it tends to be a starter drug for people who move on to heavier duty drugs, sometimes legal, sometimes illegal. and i don't think this is something that we really want for our society. you know, we're gradually just removing all the barriers to heathenistic activity, and, you know, we're changing so rapidly to atype of society, and nobody is getting a chance to discuss it, because, you
know, it's taboo. it's politically incorrect. you're not supposed to talk about these things. >> how do you balance it -- some people would say it's freedom of choice, it's the government saying you can't have marijuana, you know, versus -- i understand the heathenist aspect and the blunted motivation if you're getting high all the time, but what about the whole issue of your rights? >> well, those same people argue for freedom of choice when someone says, i want to buy a gun, i want to buy an oozy? let's be consistent with this thing, but more importantly, we should sit down and talk about ramifications. there are studies that show that, you know, marijuana is a gateway drug. we need to talk about how do we use it in such a way that it doesn't result in addiction of many, many people in our society? why can't we talk about these things? that's what i want to know. >> well, a lot of things we
don't talk about. anyway, always nice to see you, dr. carson. >> okay, my pleasure. thank you. coming up, when the clock struck midnight, did you lose a tax break from racetracks to rum, dozens of tax breaks expiring for the new year. our political panelists here to talk about that. and a new controversy for "duck dynasty" star phil robertson. you have to hear what he said this time, that's next. sfwlmplts. plus, you're looking live at the first winter storm of the year. a live report coming up. i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is.
now get ready to speed read your way through the news. first, new controversy for the "duck dynasty" star. days after announcing he'll return to the show, video surfacing of robertson speaking at a 2009 event. he gives the men in the audience dating advice. he says to marry very young girls. >> they got to where they get
hard to find, mainly because these boys are waiting until they get to be about 20 years old before they marry them. look, you wait till they get to be 20 years old, the only picking that's going to take place is your pocket. you get these girls about 15 or 16, they'll pick it up. >> well, there's more "duck dynasty" news, the robertson family now launching its own line of guns. they are selling shotguns and rifles and to ring in the new year, some "duck dynasty" stars appearing on fox news channel new year's eve special. >> we're just glad to be back to work and a&e and us are fine. the robertsons, we're looking forward to getting back to making some funny shows. it's a new year, so we're ready to break in a new year and start it all over again. >> the new season of "duck dynasty" starts january 15th. and now to toronto. mayor rob ford, who is never dull, not letting a little crack smoking scandal stop his
political career. today ford putting his name on the ballot to run for another term. in fact, when registration opened at city hall today, ford was the first candidate to show up. now to colorado. long lines at the nation's first legal recreational pot shops, and get this, the first man to make a legal weed purchase says he is not smoking it. he says he'll store the pot, along with a sales receipt. he calls the items pieces of history, and one day he'll donate them to a museum, and that's tonight's speed read. now to the laurch of obamacare, we are on day number two. what's the verdict, how's it going and what's to come? first to you, how are we doing with day two? >> i think there's a lot of happy people that actually navigated the website, they did enroll, have paid, and have evidence they are insured. those people might be newly insured, might have had a preexisting condition, and that's the kind of story the
administration is going to tell over and over this month. what we don't know, how many people who enrolled on the site actually became insured, because the back end was just a technical term the administration kept telling us for the website was not able to actually pay insurance companies to cover the people that were trying to enroll until someone goes to fill a prescription or has an accident or has to see a doctor in the coming weeks, they won't know if they are definitely insured. i think it's when we see those kinds of numbers that we'll know just how it's going, and the other thing i would say, the young people silting on the sidelines and heard nothing but bad stuff need to start hearing in january and february before the march 31 deadline that this is something worth doing. >> steve? >> yeah, i think amy's right. the key distinction is how many of those 2.1 signups are actually enrollees. >> paid enrollees, right? >> i don't count them unless they've paid. otherwise it's still sitting in
their shopping cart for the vast majority of those people. that's a huge number, how many people is going to make a determination how, i think, how this ultimately goes. and if you look forward into the next three months, you're going to have to have people who go to the website, who do their browsing, see their shopping, and then make a determination that it's worth the value, that they are actually getting good value and will then go ahead and purchase these plans. if you talk to people, both in the insurance industry, there are real questions whether to people are going to go to the website, do that shopping, and then decide that it's worth it. >> even if they decide to do that, republicans next week turning their attention to structural concerns with the website, they are expected to be holding votes on a series of fixes to the site that would ensure things like what happened to target don't necessarily happen to people who are vis visiting healthcare.gov. a few proposals republicans will vote on -- well, the house will vote on that next week, as early
as next week. >> obviously, 2.1 million were concerned about the security on the website because they signed up. >> that's right. par part of this, obviously, address concerns, also part of this, frankly, you know, let's be fair to the other side, is designed, i think to some extent, to continue raising doubts about it as they try to near the 7 million goal by march. >> panel, when the clock struck midnight, 55 different tax breaks expired. i'm not sure if it was intentional, they include things from racetracks to rum. what's that mean big picture? taxes expire, congress intend that or just didn't do their job? >> well, many of them are actually very useful, unpopular, although utility is always in the eye of the beholder, because there's a constituency for every silly and ridiculous tax break. annually, they add up to more than a trillion. not just the extenders that just
expired, but all the tax breaks in our code and members don't like to get rid of them, even though they say we have to do this, because they are so popular. they let them slip away because they couldn't find the consensus to make a decision. i think some of them will be restored, if not close to all of them, but this is simply because they were in -- under pressure to keep the government open and try to get to a budget deal. >> a lot are really unpopular because they are special interests, special deal for special people. are we going to see that? >> no, and i think part of that is it is an election year. part of it is you're seeing changes, specifically on the finance committee. it's unlikely to happen. you know, and the ones that expired, you've got, what, tax breaks for people who want to build nascar tracks, for hollywood, for racehorses. >> not for people back in my hometown of appleton, because they don't have lobbyists to go
out and do that. >> the one that is do get extended, the r.n.d. break is one that would be reconsidered, another to help people under water on their mortgage and maybe the commuter tax. those are three that have effects for people suffering through this economy. if they are spending time reconsidering racetracks and horse -- racehorses, there we go, you know, they got better things to do. >> dave? >> yeah, the general proposition, i like when people have tax breaks, people are paying lower taxes. the problem is, these are tax breaks that were hard fought by lobbyists mostly in this town, making arguments by people who can pay them a lot of money to do it. it's clearly not efficient to have the kind of tax code that we have where you have to navigate this incredibly complex system in order to get your tax breaks, but people in appleton, wisconsin, don't have the ability to do that. >> speaking of appleton, wisconsin, i do have a tweet i need to put up there from steve,
i don't know who steve is, but he says, come on, you and steven f. hayes need to go and get tickets to the green bay packers game this weekend so the local people can watch. temperature in green bay this weekend high of 4, minus 15, are you going to go to the packer game? >> i'm going my part. nobody wants to see me take my shirt off, trust me, but i will be there. i will have a brat, probably more than one beer, and i will come back on monday and be very hoarse from screaming. i'll be advising the refs on the proper calls. >> are you going? >> i don't have a ticket. i shouldn't have said that. oh, dear. anyway, it's a little nippy for me. oh, dear, i may be boxed in on that one. go packers. anyway, enough of you. i'm finished with you. i don't like any one of you. straight ahead, is the obama administration giving up, admitting failure, or just watching your money?
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is the obama administration giving up on democracy in the middle east? the administration telling aid groups it will decrease funding for arab spring countries. should this matter to you? john bolton joins us. good evening, sir. >> glad to be with you. >> always this stuff seems so far away. why should they care about this? >> i think american policy in the middle east very definitely should matter to the american people. we've got critical strategic interests there, we've got the oil that pumps around the world, that fills our gas tanks. we've got commerce going through the suez canal, our vital ally israel. we have a lot of reasons to be concerned about what happens in the middle east. whether that translates into programs to support democracy, however, is a very different question. >> you're opposed to those, and
the reason i ask is because i see hamas, for instance, is very popular in some of these refugee camps because they are supplying food and water, education, medical. >> yeah, well, i think hamas, like hezbollah and lebanon like many terrorist groups understands how to appeal to people and their regions, but i don't think america's going to advance its interests by going out to the middle east or frankly anywhere else and loring them into democracy. that's not how it works. >> are you opposed to any aid for pro democracy groups in the region? >> i'm not opposed to aid to promoting representative government or the rule of law. i'm an alum nis for the agency of human development for the reagan administration and we did things that helped democracy, but i think the most important foreign aid program is that advances democracy, and that's bringing citizens from less developed countries to the
united states for training, sometimes it's military training, agricultural sciences. the way to explain the way a real democracy works is to give them exposure to us. not sending 30 year olds out to teach them principles of democracy. >> i think democracy is so important in this region, i'm disappointed at how ineffective we have been in our money. i think we have to sort of step back and figure out how to do it more effectively so that we actually get a product, instead of getting more problems. >> i think it goes to the critical definition of what is democracy. i think too long going back to the hamas election in the gaza strip back during the bush administration, democracy's just not about holding elections and counting votes. democracy is much broader than that. it's cultural, it's a way of life. that's what we have to take into account. too often, we have not done that. >> all right. so you're for the obama administration on this cutback or against? >> i think a lot of these programs are not so much democracy promotion as they are rubber stamps that get taken out
because that's a popular thing to do. i think we can look at a lot of changes to our bilateral foreign aid program in this region and this could be one of them. >> nice to see you. >> thank you. coming up, get ready, 100 million of you, you're in the path of the storm, flights already cancelled from coast to coast. a live report on this massive storm. that's next.
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overnight is expected to pick up and governor deval patrick today saying in some areas there could be up to two feet of snow. meanwhile, the temperatures are dropping, the wind chill could hit negative 25 to negative 30 degrees, and if you take a look at the road behind me, it's messy and sloppy out there, but tomorrow's morning commute could be even worse. they are expecting all that snowfall to have a major impact on that commute. there could be 3,000 pieces of road clearing equipment out on the highways in the morning. governor also allowing private employers not to allow going to work tomorrow and he closed the state government, but in new york, governor cuomo also declared a state of emergency. long island expressway and i-84, in new jersey governor chris christie declared a state of emergency, as well. the storm blasted the midwest, people in chicago digging out after double-digit snowfalls. chicago o'hare's international airport saw hundreds of flight
cancellations and that's some of the things we've seen all across the nation. here at logan airport, as of 8:30 this evening, no more flights going out and they are hoping to ramp things up and get travellers back out to their destinations by about noon tomorrow, and that's caused a domino effect all across the nation. chicago o'hare, one of the many airports effected, even as far away as l.a. greta? >> your flight may have originated from boston, l.a. to beijing, never going to get there to pick you up, because it's stuck in logan. molly, thank you. coming up, doctors, nurses, and other hospital workers haven't been paid in a month and the hospital ceo says obamacare is to blame. the ceo is here to tell you why next. youand you're talking toere rheuyour rheumatologistike me, about trying or adding a biologic.
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more than 100 hospital workers haven't been paid in a month. the ceo says he can't make payroll thanks to obamacare. ceo jason leeday joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening to you. >> you say the reason you can't make payroll is obamacare, is that correct? >> yeah. next of obamacare, changing of the financial intermediary or the contractor, as you stated. those have all been critical situations for us that's caused us to be in the situation that we're in. >> all right. as i understand it, is that you get paid the medicare payments go through novatast, which
handles the payments from medicare, that it changed from another organization that worked really well and novatast got a no-bid contract and now they are the ones delaying payment to you. is that right? >> correct. correct. >> why are they delaying payments to you? you do the services, you should get paid. >> right, and i agree with you completely. but, with the transition to novatast solutions, what we've experienced is a lot of delays that have been described as administrative delays, denial codes that don't exist in the system, other things such as that. i can give you one example, they took back several hundred thousand dollars of payment from us for incarcerated patients. we call those patients, those patients had not been incarcerated. we called them up and asked to speak with a supervisosuperviso.
they told us they'd give us a call back. a week later on the website they stated they were having issues with records regarding incarcerated patients and conversely, we have still not gotten paid, even though those patients were not incarcerated during that service. that's just one small example of some of the delays that are out there. >> we only have 30 seconds left, but you're a small hospital in the community serving a lot of medicare patients, and if you shut down, they are going to have to go some place else. that's bad for everybody. >> right, it is, and it's bad for our employees, as well. >> well, for some reason, i don't understand this whole business about the no-bid contracts when it was working before with the other organization, and now the new organization comes along, it's no bid, and suddenly you've got this nightmare and you've got your small hospital and you haven't made payroll in a month. i hope somebody's listening, sir. maybe they'll speed up the payments to you and get your hospital going, but thank you for joining us, sir. >> thank you.
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